Comments on: Google, AJAX, JAVA??? Huh? http://mike.crute.org/blog/2006/05/17/google-ajax-java-huh/ import random; return random.shuffle(mike_crute.thoughts) Mon, 08 Mar 2010 23:32:38 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: David http://mike.crute.org/blog/2006/05/17/google-ajax-java-huh/comment-page-1/#comment-21 David Tue, 23 May 2006 02:42:27 +0000 http://mike.crute.org/blog/2006/05/17/google-ajax-java-huh/#comment-21 Think about it for a minute Mike. You have a massive installed base of java developers, many well versed in writing enterprise based applications using the J2EE frame work, many others quite adept at J2SE development. These developers have expertise in object oriented design that would be quite useful if it could be distilled into the problem space of AJAX applications. As for your comment that: <blockquote> The java > js compilation will be far far easier to handle then what is currently required to provide for the client like response in an AJAX application..which is NOT just XHTML. It is javascript/css/xml/ and whatever server language usually employed for back end service requests. Asp/Jsp/Python/Perl..etc. This is a horror show of different languages that makes AJAX programming the headache that it is for most that endeavor to persue it. GWT makes it much simpler, design (in a clean OO environment) then compile to *running* AJAX code. I don't see how anyone can see the current AJAX writing method as being preferable to this. I suggest you seriously look into java, if you are familiar with javascript the similarities will startle you, though I much appreciate the formal syntax of java..it is a perfect compromise between the rigor of C or C++ coding and the lax syntactical and object oriented features of javascript itself. The large installed base allows ready and rapid migration of existing developers to building functional AJAX applications...and this is a very good thing.</blockquote> Think about it for a minute Mike. You have a massive installed base of java developers, many well versed in writing enterprise based applications using the J2EE frame work, many others quite adept at J2SE development. These developers have expertise in object oriented design that would be quite useful if it could be distilled into the problem space of AJAX applications. As for your comment that:

The java > js compilation will be far far easier to handle then what is currently required to provide for the client like response in an AJAX application..which is NOT just XHTML. It is javascript/css/xml/ and whatever server language usually employed for back end service requests. Asp/Jsp/Python/Perl..etc. This is a horror show of different languages that makes AJAX programming the headache that it is for most that endeavor to persue it. GWT makes it much simpler, design (in a clean OO environment) then compile to *running* AJAX code. I don’t see how anyone can see the current AJAX writing method as being preferable to this. I suggest you seriously look into java, if you are familiar with javascript the similarities will startle you, though I much appreciate the formal syntax of java..it is a perfect compromise between the rigor of C or C++ coding and the lax syntactical and object oriented features of javascript itself. The large installed base allows ready and rapid migration of existing developers to building functional AJAX applications…and this is a very good thing.

]]> By: Frank http://mike.crute.org/blog/2006/05/17/google-ajax-java-huh/comment-page-1/#comment-20 Frank Fri, 19 May 2006 19:58:53 +0000 http://mike.crute.org/blog/2006/05/17/google-ajax-java-huh/#comment-20 Read this no-hype blog: they forsee things about MS. Mike, try out Java for real. You'll become a direct competitor of Microsoft. Who wouldn't like that? (got nothing against MS, but a little fresh air will do all much good): http://digital-lifestyles.info/display_page.asp?section=cm&id=3287 Read this no-hype blog: they forsee things about MS. Mike, try out Java for real. You’ll become a direct competitor of Microsoft. Who wouldn’t like that? (got nothing against MS, but a little fresh air will do all much good):

http://digital-lifestyles.info/display_page.asp?section=cm&id=3287

]]> By: dready blog v2.0 http://mike.crute.org/blog/2006/05/17/google-ajax-java-huh/comment-page-1/#comment-19 dready blog v2.0 Fri, 19 May 2006 05:48:51 +0000 http://mike.crute.org/blog/2006/05/17/google-ajax-java-huh/#comment-19 <strong>Google Web Toolkit (AJAX library)</strong> When I first saw the news about the newly released Google’s Web Toolkit: Google Web Toolkit (GWT) is a Java software development framework that makes writing AJAX applications like Google Maps and Gmail easy for developers who don’t speak ... Google Web Toolkit (AJAX library)

When I first saw the news about the newly released Google’s Web Toolkit:

Google Web Toolkit (GWT) is a Java software development framework that makes writing AJAX applications like Google Maps and Gmail easy for developers who don’t speak …

]]> By: Anonymous http://mike.crute.org/blog/2006/05/17/google-ajax-java-huh/comment-page-1/#comment-18 Anonymous Thu, 18 May 2006 15:06:38 +0000 http://mike.crute.org/blog/2006/05/17/google-ajax-java-huh/#comment-18 Since there are a a couple million JEE developers out there, having an easy way to write AJAX code is obviously a good thing. Good for Google! They just created big hype, AGAIN! Since there are a a couple million JEE developers out there, having an easy way to write AJAX code is obviously a good thing. Good for Google! They just created big hype, AGAIN!

]]> By: Frank http://mike.crute.org/blog/2006/05/17/google-ajax-java-huh/comment-page-1/#comment-17 Frank Thu, 18 May 2006 09:04:58 +0000 http://mike.crute.org/blog/2006/05/17/google-ajax-java-huh/#comment-17 Hi, I'm afraid you're totally off the mark. What you rate as F for usefulness will in fact revolutionize the web. There are similar technologies available, but none are freely available. There are 2.8 million Java developers out there that will suddenly be empowered to do AJAX in a productive way (not possible to do before GWT's release without paying out sums for proprietary technologies). Furthermore, those who haven't had the chance to dig in the OO Java scheme, will. What Google offered to the world yesterday is the possibility of remoting full apps in an easy way. Gosh, I can even see remoting parts of operating systems... windowing and all. Hi,

I’m afraid you’re totally off the mark. What you rate as F for usefulness will in fact revolutionize the web. There are similar technologies available, but none are freely available. There are 2.8 million Java developers out there that will suddenly be empowered to do AJAX in a productive way (not possible to do before GWT’s release without paying out sums for proprietary technologies). Furthermore, those who haven’t had the chance to dig in the OO Java scheme, will.

What Google offered to the world yesterday is the possibility of remoting full apps in an easy way. Gosh, I can even see remoting parts of operating systems… windowing and all.

]]> By: Manuzhai http://mike.crute.org/blog/2006/05/17/google-ajax-java-huh/comment-page-1/#comment-16 Manuzhai Thu, 18 May 2006 08:08:18 +0000 http://mike.crute.org/blog/2006/05/17/google-ajax-java-huh/#comment-16 It's not entirely open source, though: "The GWT Java-to-JavaScript compiler and hosted web browser are shipped binary-only and subject to the license below." It’s not entirely open source, though: “The GWT Java-to-JavaScript compiler and hosted web browser are shipped binary-only and subject to the license below.”

]]> By: » Google Web Toolkit released - rumors of Morfik alliance? | Web 2.0 Explorer | ZDNet.com http://mike.crute.org/blog/2006/05/17/google-ajax-java-huh/comment-page-1/#comment-15 » Google Web Toolkit released - rumors of Morfik alliance? | Web 2.0 Explorer | ZDNet.com Thu, 18 May 2006 03:35:02 +0000 http://mike.crute.org/blog/2006/05/17/google-ajax-java-huh/#comment-15 [...] Some developers are surprised it's Java-based. In the words of kiwi developer Phil Pearson: "it turns out to be a Java-to-Javascript translator. WTF?" Mike Crute is similarly unimpressed with this "weird open source offering" from Google, noting that "I would rather gnaw off my left leg than code in Java". Scott Yang comments: "Hmm. Less code. Yeah right…" [...] [...] Some developers are surprised it’s Java-based. In the words of kiwi developer Phil Pearson: "it turns out to be a Java-to-Javascript translator. WTF?" Mike Crute is similarly unimpressed with this "weird open source offering" from Google, noting that "I would rather gnaw off my left leg than code in Java". Scott Yang comments: "Hmm. Less code. Yeah right…" [...]

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